Parts List

JHAB  –  Build Notes.

We got the idea for Joshua’s High Altitude Balloon (JHAB) project from the Citibank commercial; the one where they used their points to launch and recovered a balloon.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF1zTb_pbfU

After looking into it more, turns out there are a lot of people also wanting to get to near space; many have published their stories and results in great detail. I have posted the links to some of the best sites at the end of this post.

There are a number of sites now on the web which detail how they built their payloads, from the most basic to the very advanced.  You have to do a lot of research and testing, re-testing, test again, oh, and then test. And you’ll still have problems. As it turns out – it’s complicated to send something into space, and more importantly recover it, if you’re not a rocket scientist!

Since our goal was Near Space Imagery, we started out fairly basic as well, learning as we went from other HAB enthusiasts.

Design:

We modeled our design similar to the image, with the exception of any second payload in the train which many use for HAM radios and more advanced avionics. We don’t have our HAM license yet, but we’re working on that.

Flight System –

We went with the HAB-1200g – which gave us the following specifications: kaymontballoons.com/Weather_Forecasting.html

–          Diameter at release = 6ft

–          Diameter at burst altitude = 28ft

–          Volume at release = 113 cuft

–          Free Lift = 2lbs

–          Ascent rate = 320meters/min / 1000ft/min

–          Burst altitude = 102

 

Parachute

For the Parachute, we went with the 4ft – which shows a 3.0lb weight specification, and our goal was to be less than 3 lbs.

http://www.the-rocketman.com/recovery.html

WEIGHT FT/SEC. MPH. WEIGHT FT/SEC. MPH.
4FT. 3.0lb 15.95 10.87 3.7lb. 17.83 12.15

Helium Filler

The filling apparatus was a challenge, and we’re still working on improving it. We needed to find a way to convert compression threading to brass threads, and find the right tubing. The PVC was easy enough, but still leaks.

Our second version seemed to be working a little better. We used air compression hose and some quick connectors, then found a compression to brass thread fitting, and set that into the pvc fitting.

 

 

I found this helium tank regulator on the internet, which we then added a quick connect for the hose.

We got our helium from a local company, http://www.balloonsandhelium.net/

 

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Digital Scale

There are a couple of ways to measure the neck lift. For our first two launches we have used a digital scale – but have not had great luck, so for our next one, we’re going with a water jug filled to our neck lift.

First method:

Tie an emergency line from a heavy object at your launch site (I can’t stress this enough, since our first launch, we let the balloon go by accident and didn’t have a safety line – oops), to the bottom of the digital scale. Tie another line from the top of the digital fish scale directly to the neck of the balloon. When filling the high-altitude balloon stop filling periodically and check the lift indicated on the digital scale.

The second method of measuring nozzle lift is to fill containers with water to equal the nozzle lift required. 1 gallon of water is 8.35 lbs.

Payload

Several used a Styrofoam beer cooler, but we opted to go with a more sturdy and smaller design for ours.

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-9903/Insulated-Shippers-Supplies/8-x-6-x-4-1-4-Insulated-Foam-Shipping-Kits?model=S-9903

We added a waterproof “Lost and Found” note similar to this http://www.thefintels.com/aer/b32.jpg to the top of the payload.

Temperature Control

Chemical hand warmers to keep electronics warm. You can find these at sporting goods stores.

 

 

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Imagery

GoPro HD Hero

http://gopro.com/cameras/hd-helmet-hero-camera/

http://gopro.com/hd-hero-accessories/battery-bacpac/

Awesome camera! Durable, waterproof, shoots full HD. Battery only last for about 2hours though, even with the double battery we used on our second flight it only lasted 3 hours – however most flights should be only 2-3 hours.

Camera: Canon A480 w/ 4GB SD Card

We used CHDK, to program the camera’s to take pictures every 12-15 seconds. This took us awhile, to find the right settings. We spent about a month testing, modifying the scripts, and testing again to get the right mix of settings on the camera and the script to function the way we wanted.

GPS

(recently added):

MT AIO

MT-AIO  – http://www.byonics.com/mt-aio

The MT-AIO:  a complete, self-contained, rugger, water resistant, portable, 10-watt APRS tracker, including a frequency agile 2-meter transmitter, a TinyTrak3 controller chip, a Byonics GPS3 GPS receiver, and an SMA antenna. We both received our HAM licenses (KJ6UXA, KJ6UXB), which is required to use APRS units. JHAB3 included the MT-AIO and it worked flawlessly.

SPOT

http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=102

 

 

iPhone.

http://www.instamapper.com/

Telemetry

Voltcraft DL 180THP Logger

This was a cool little device we found on the internet to test Temperature, humidity. It’s a USB device which can be configured to record at specific intervals. We put it on the outside of the capsule since we used the camera logs to record internal template.

 Balloon Trajectory Forecasts

This was the best site we found http://habhub.org/predict/ to run flight predictions based upon payload and wind patterns.  You can run as many predictions are you need, and then save the file as a Google Earth KML format.

 

Credits

There are many, but here are several of the sites we used for inspiration, and information.

http://www.mikedeep.com/Project-Soar

http://www.ihabproject.com/

http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/balloon/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ZMscMp8UM

http://www.brooklynspaceprogram.org/BSP/Home.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF1zTb_pbfU

Below is a complete parts list for JHAB 1 –

JHAB Intervalometer script2

parts list for JHAB 1

33 thoughts on “Parts List

  1. Awesome guys,
    My family and I are looking to get into the near space business too. I thought it would be a great experiment, and a great way to get my kids interested in science.
    I wanted to know if you have been able to exceed 130,000 feet? Thanks again for putting everything online, we look forward to planning our first flight!

    • Shawn, great to hear. It’s a fun hobby. Reach or exceed 130K? – no, our highest has been about 111K – it would be hard to do in So Cal but might be interesting to try.

  2. Hi guys
    i really like the quality of your pics – I am working also on such a project an would ask you kindly if you would share your chdk script?
    And also one question on heating – did you extra heat the cams or just used the 2 chemical hand warmes seen on the pic?
    Thanks
    Oliver

  3. Hi guys!
    It’s a really awesome thing that you’ve done here, and I’m planning to do something like it with a friend. But I’ve got a question about the VOLTCRAFT DL-181THP Logger: Does it simply record the data inside itself so that you can plug it into a computer and see it there? Stupid question maybe, but we need to know for sure.
    Thanks

    /David

    • Hi David,
      Yes, it’s self contained and simply a data logger of temperature, humidity, air pressure. It comes with software where you can configure the recordings as well as read and download the data via the USB connection. Best of luck on your flight!

      • Thank you! Just what I needed to know.
        One more thing: Is the GoPro camera so durable that it can be hung on the outside of the capsule and sent to the stratosphere, or does it just happen lie there in the picture?

          • Hello again! I’ve almost collected all the parts I need, but I’m wondering whether you mounted the antenna of your MicroTrak horizontally or vertically.
            At the moment, mine is horizontal, but I’m wondering if that’s effective enough.

    • Depends upon what you use for a GPS – but yes we try to keep our expenses down, so we don’t pay any recurring fees. We’re using the HAM radio’s now with the GPS so there are no recurring fees.

  4. Great info! Thanks! I’m working on figuring out what is the best (easiest) GPS to use without HAM. Did you guys use the SPOT and if so could you recommend it? Other option I was looking at was an old cell with instamapper. What is your thoughts?

    • We have tried both the cell phone w/ instamapper and SPOT – both are good alternatives, and both have their challenges. SPOT you have to ensure it faces skyward in order to get a good sat signal – so we constructed a gimbal within the capsule, worked pretty good. The cell / instamapper worked – but battery was an issue, as the phone died, however we used an old iphone, it would be better to use an old boost phone. Best of luck

  5. Hey guys,

    love the vids and the site!
    I am curious to know a few things…how accurate is that tracking modeler you guys use? Within 10% or so? I mean, assuming all the data has been input correctly…

    Also, with the amateur radio beacon, do you get real time tracking the whole time?
    Does that include the altitude? If I had just the beacon I can track it via online/website only, right?
    Thanks so much!

    • The flight predictor gets us within a few miles, as long as your flight matches the data you put into the prediction module. Another good resource site is http://www.cusf.co.uk/calc/ , we use these two sites together to create our flight plan.

      With our HAM radio and the ARPS tracker we get real time tracking or lat/long, altitude, speed. You can follow the flight via http://aprs.fi , and we use our radio and a GPS in the chase car(s) after it lands.

      Regards,

  6. Excellent!! Thanks for that info!!

    Two more quickie questions….

    The handwarmers….how well did they work when you placed them in the lid?
    Also, was your GoPro mounted INSIDE the pod or OUTSIDE?
    Because the balloon loitered for a while at those cold altitudes and the footage looks KILLER and the cam didn’t die!

    thanks again…you guys are mega helpful!

    –andrew

    • Handwarmers worked great. Kept the inside of the capsule at a consistent temp. We mounted the GoPro outside, as we have two cannon cameras on the inside along with the radio. We used the GoPro case with the defogger. We still have not been able to capture the complete flight with the GoPro, even with the added battery pac, it quits at around 2 to 2 1/2 hours of flight, so we have not captured the decent and landing yet. We’re going to try again by setting a flight plan which has a rapid ascent and shorter flight time. Our next flight however we’re shooting for altitude, shooting for 40,000 meters or more!

      • oh that’s gonna be sweet!
        When is your next launch?

        Ours is hopefully in November…maybe by Kingman.
        One last question…How did you rig your pod? Your footage looks way more steady than most of the others on youTube and I’m curious if rigging or stabilizer fins on the pod had anything to do with it.
        Thanks again!

        –andrew

        • We’re shooting for next weekend – assuming the winds are good. BTW – take a look at http://hint.fm/wind/ awesome site to review wind patterns. The GoPro was mounted onto the side of the capsule, we just got lucky with an early morning sunrise launch and once it got above the jetstream it was very stable. (Going through the jetstream winds can get up to 60mph). I think it was the early launch that may have helped, but also mostly luck. I have seen others try different configs to try to stabilize, but none that I have seen really work. Just part of the fun.

          Keep us posted on your progress.

  7. Hi,

    I am planning on doing a flight soon and it will be my first.
    I was just wondering what kind of cord you guys use?

    cheers!

  8. Dear JHAB Project,

    I really liked your past two launches, and thought they were very interesting. I’d like to suggest a new idea for a project. I thought it would be interesting to sample the dust particles in near space, and observe them through an optical microscope. I thought you might like to do this is because, as far as I know, nobody has done this. This would use fairly complex electronics, and you would have to find something clear, sticky, that you could put on an microscope slide, and would not freeze or evaporate in near space for the sample collection period. I think the best time for the sample collection period would be right after the balloon pops, when it is at maximum speed. A good amount of time that you could use for the sample collection period is 30 seconds, which, assuming the payload was falling at 150 mph, would fall 1.25 miles in that period. I hope you do a flight like the one I thought of. I would love to see it. I’m a fan of your site and love all your experiments!

    Good luck,

    A 9 year old fan in California

  9. Hi JHAB, I’ve just added a new function on the Balloonnews web site. It is a SPOT shared page displaying the SPOT feeds of up to 20 HAB projects that use SPOT from around the world. I was wondering if I could add your SPOT tracker to the page. I think it is also set up so that it records flights for longer than the 7 days that SPOT service provides (but I don’t understand how).
    The page is at http://www.wherearethepilots.com/php/ShowPilots.php?CC=hich&ShowAll
    And ironically the other project shown is from America as well. Anyway it is just another way to draw readers to check out other people’s HAB projects so if you’ d like to be included then send me your SPOT shared page. Cheers Chris at BalloonNews

  10. Hmm, and if I’m using a rubber duck antenna? I’ve built two capsules that allow for both placements, but I like the tall (vertical) one the best, so if rubber duck doesn’t work vertically, can I find your dipole at Byonics?

  11. Hello again,

    I am ever so close to launching my ballon now. If I get my FAA approval i am scheduled to launch on August 31st 2013 at 8AM. However I do have ONE very important question to ask. I was wondering could you share the distance … aka how long is the rope between:

    a. Payload to parachute?
    b. Parachute to ballon?

    Also can you let me know what size tank / how much helium you purchase. I purchased a Kraymont 1,500 gram ballon. Any other tips you can offer would be appreciated.

    Thanks
    Ed

  12. My apologies a few more questions

    When you all write
    “Our second version seemed to be working a little better. We used air compression hose and some quick connectors, then found a compression to brass thread fitting, and set that into the pvc fitting.”

    Where can I purchase these parts. I am located in Southern California as well.

    Ed

  13. Ed,
    For your rope question, there is a graphic at the beginning of this post, which should help. You can see how we did it http://www.flickr.com/photos/13763991@N06/7164406616/lightbox/

    Regarding gas, this all depends upon your payload weight, balloon size, your altitude goals and flight path. at least 140 cu ft (4 cu m) of gas (the large tank), is needed, and fill to at least 6ft in diameter, but again really depends upon the payload. You can find balloon calculators via google which may also help.

    Best of luck!

  14. This is really cool. I really appreciate the details and making your build notes available. I really want to do this and incorporate some ham radio infrastructure, APRS and maybe a repeater.

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